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On the Hemp Podcast this week we talk to Geoff Whaling, chair of the National Hemp Association about the recent creation of the Standing Committee of Hemp Organizations which will give the hemp industry a stronger, more unified voice in Washington.

The standing committee intends to work with the Biden administration on climate initiatives and hopes to get a $1 billion amendment into the infrastructure bill to help develop the hemp industry and build supply chains.

Hempcrete Week 2021

We will also talk to Cameron McIntosh and Eric Titus White about the second annual Hempcrete Week, the upcoming three day, hands-on Hempcrete workshop.

National Hemp Association's Standing Committee of Hemp Organizations


NHA's Message to Joe Biden:

Cannabis World Congress & Business Expo


Hempcrete Week 2021


The Hempstead


Americhanvre Cast Hemp


Thanks to our Sponsor IND HEMP in Montana!


The Goodness of Hemp

Here's a briskly edited transcript of this episode:

Eric Hurlock: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Lancaster Farming Industrial Hemp podcast. Today is October 6th, 2021. My name is Eric Sherlock, and today I'm going to talk to Jeff Waling from the National Hemp Association. We're going to hear about a lot of different things, including the National Hemp Association's Standing Committee of State Hemp Organizations, which is giving the hemp industry a greater voice in Washington and how this group is trying to get an amendment into the infrastructure bill that could help fund the development of the supply chain. We're going to talk about a company called Black Buffalo, a 3D printing company that uses hemp in their slurry. We're also going to check in with the folks from Hemp Creek Week to find out what's in store for this year's multi-day hemp Crete hands on workshop. Today's show is brought to you by Andy Hemp in Fort Benton, Montana. Be sure to check them out on their website and hemp com and also go see their YouTube series called The Goodness of Hemp on YouTube. I'll have a link for all that stuff on the show page for this episode. All right, so so just one nugget of hemp news this week. This particular story comes from the Argus Decode UK, but I've seen this story on other sites, too. And it's about Paul McCartney. Sir Paul McCartney has revealed that he grows hemp at his farm, but fears his crops may be targeted by thieves. The Beatles star has started producing crops of hemp, rye, spelt wheat and pears at his home in P Marsh near rye. Speaking on the River Cafe table for podcast, Sir Paul said he is following government regulations to grow hemp and hides his crop to stop them from being stolen by teenagers. He said We're actually just getting into growing him. The funny thing with government regulations is you've got to keep it where people can't see it 'cause you get all the kids coming in and robbing it. All right, Paul, that's fantastic. I am so happy to hear that you're growing some hemp on your farm and I would love to talk to you about it. So Paul send me an email. Send it to podcast at Lancaster Farming dot com. All right, let's get on with our show today. Coming up here is Geoff Whaling from the National Hemp Association.

Eric Hurlock: Jeff Waling, welcome back to the Lancaster Farming Industrial Hemp podcast. How are you doing today?

Geoff Whaling: I am happy to be back with you, Eric, and we can talk about where we started and where we are today.

Eric Hurlock: Yeah. Let's just jump into it. So I got a press release from the National Hemp Association a couple of weeks ago about an amendment to the infrastructure bill. Can you just tell us what's going on there?

Geoff Whaling: As you well know, NHA created a standing committee of state hemp organizations in response really to a number of the hemp organizations that have no voice in Washington and had been a state chapter of another hemp group. So I think 10 or 12 of those organizations formed a group and came to us and we created the National Hemp Association Standing Committee. What? It's a it's been a very good interaction working arrangement. Those organizations are not sharing their dues with us. They raise their own money, keep their money at the state level, and the National Hemp Association supports them as much as we can on national issues. This being one of them, certainly, we all know that one of the biggest challenges for the hemp industry today is supply chain and investment. You know, I certainly am across the country talking about, you know, this is not going to be a crop that will return to our landscape instantly just because the 2018 Farm Bill. I'm surprised that I'm saying 2018, when we're now starting to look at the 2022 farm belt coming up. But you know, there there has to be a whole educational element. There has to be some infrastructure money put into it. And so when we were provided with an opportunity to start talking to the White House and USDA about areas of funding and then learned, like so many people across the country, that there was the infrastructure bill as well as the reconciliation amendment that was moving forward. Our state hemp organizations got together and they started to out that language. And when they all agreed of what that language was going to be was initiated by Jeff Greene of the Florida Hemp Council. And we then, you know, put our our signature to it, and we did our work in reaching out to leadership in Congress while the other state organizations reached out to their local congressional members.

Eric Hurlock: OK. And what kind of response are you getting from leadership?

Geoff Whaling: So, you know, I think this was a good learning curve for the state. Hemp organizations, as I said, you know, alluded to earlier, I'm already in discussions and working with elected officials on the 20 to farm bill. That's how far in advance. And although even today there is deliberations going on on both infrastructure and reconciliation, you know, we should have been in discussions with committee members months ago and trying to get at least hemp, recognize the response we've been getting from leadership at the House AG Committee and from some of the Senate leaders is mixed. Obviously, their staffs are absolutely pushed to the limit, trying to deal with a bigger trillion multitrillion dollar issues. And I know it sounds ridiculous to say a billion dollars isn't a lot of money to be asking for, but in the big scheme of things, it's not, and it takes this much work to move forward a piece on a billion dollars, as it does, you know, a trillion. So where are they going to put their efforts? So if anything, what this is done because of organizations like yourselves and other media that is focused on this, it has raised the discussion about him. It's giving us more exposure and certainly it's elevated the entire opportunity out there so far, not included now. I think that it's provided us with a foray to move this forward, particularly my hope is more of a 2022 farm bill.

Eric Hurlock: OK. I mean, because from inside the hemp space, we know that hemp could be a really effective tool in, you know, climate change mitigation. You know, like if on a big enough scale, are the people in the new administration even thinking about that?

Geoff Whaling: Like, Yeah, so the reception that we have received from Secretary Vilsack and certainly from the Biden administration has been surprisingly positive. Certainly, I started this process with Secretary Vilsack back in 2013 2014, and I've reminded him that we started with him. It grew under the Trump administration. We certainly would not want it to fail under him. And you know, I I know that they really want to support the industry. But like many of the challenges that we are facing is that there's not enough research understanding about the potential of hemp and how we get there. Sir. You and I have walked this path, we live and breathe the subject matter. But we need to make sure that there is that same sort of understanding within government who make those decisions. So I'm pleased that Secretary Vilsack and USDA have now created a four person internal working committee on him. It's headed by the chief of staff under research. And when you think about that, the woman that heads up this under research, they are really looking at a strategy for him that is more focused on advancing that research that we need to get accomplished. So working with them has been delightful. As you know, Eric, the during the transition period, we had people from the White House come to us and ask where might have fit into any of the 12 priorities that they have identified for climate. When we looked at those priorities, we thought that hemp could participate in eight of those 12 issues as part of that solution. Those discussions continue. We know that the National Hemp Association's Climate Action Plan has been taken by the White House and distributed among some of the other agencies because we were asked by the chief of staff and DOJ if we would find time to brief his biomass division and to talk about what the potential is there. So we know that there's interest. Obviously, we're not the number one priority. The administration's got lots of things on the plate right now. But then? Under the policy adviser on economic development in the White House, they're seeing this as a potential to help rural development and economic development. So they asked us and we presented some three weeks ago now a economic impact report that also was accompanied by a document on how to build the sustainable hemp industry in America. And that has got really good response, and we have a follow up meeting with the White House next week.

Eric Hurlock: OK, great. I saw you with the summer out in Montana now that the the Indian Hemp Summit. What did you think of that? What has come out of that meeting for you and the National Hemp Association?

Geoff Whaling: Certainly, you know, the the Elliott family who put it, believe some $25 million of their own money into this facility have been operating under the radar. Certainly, you know, when I created our collective gross back, I knew that they were out there and but they weren't looking for money, so we really didn't have a lot of discussions with them. Listen, Kelo, who was our researcher and head of marketing, had reached out to them to try and get an understanding of what they were doing. Certainly, we know that they were one of the groups that acquired some of the some strand former equipment. So we knew some of the background, but didn't know much about them. So when I was asked if I would come out to their summit, I jumped at the opportunity. And as you well know? Absolutely. Salt of the Earth. Delightful people. They are all in this camp will say. And they are committed. They're doing it. I just came back from taking a group out, just seeing them last week. And they're the changes that I saw in the facility since we were all out. There is amazing. They're just at that point where they're going to be turning on that system. And, you know, we went out to the fields that we also visited and saw them now after they've been cut their writing in the field. So it was delightful. But you know, again, here is a group of business people with great success who have seen what you and I both know are the challenges for our industry that we have this kind of fragmented national advocacy groups that all believe that we represent him on the national stage. But it was the first time that someone brought us all together, and I welcome that opportunity. Didn't mean that any of the channel went away, but certainly it provided an opportunity for there to be an open dialog and to see that, you know, we all have a very significant common interest in advancing the fiber green side of this industry.

Eric Hurlock: Right, right. Something that you brought up in that discussion that day in January. Was this this idea of an identity crisis like maybe the hemp industry thinks it's much bigger than it actually is? Can you talk a little bit about that?

Geoff Whaling: Until the cows come home. I think that too, and I've certainly seen this across the industry. Those of us who work on this every single day take pride in the work that we do. And I know that many people certainly Erica, our executive director and our and our work every day to continue to educate people. But I know that you've experienced this as well. People haven't a clue. There is a world of people who are inside the hemp space, who right now secretaries of AG and others believe that hemp is only CBD. They don't know about the opportunities that I believe are much bigger from fiber and grain. And there are challenges where certainly the stigma that was attached to him still exists, and people are amazed when you get into a discussion about the potential of hemp. Certainly, it's the opportunities that it brings for climate it. People are flabbergasted and I haven't a clue. So yes, most of the people that are in our industry because we happen to be at the epicenter of this think that we are the flavor of the month, the greatest opportunity that's come around. I believe that myself in my heart of hearts. But that doesn't mean that the people that we have to interact with politicians and others, particularly people in Congress who only have 15 minutes to listen to your story are going to really capture the essence and the potential of what we're going to be and what we can become. So I think if we continue our dialog as we have our great partnership with New Holland Agriculture as we continue to go to farm shows with them and talk to farmers and listen to them and then try to bring about those solutions, we are slowly increasing the ring of interest in education. But we will always have the same challenges unless we address them. Farmers want to know, how do I plant it? How do I harvest it and where do I sell it? And unless we address those things all at the same time, that interest will wane. And you know, you and I will go the route of the dodo bird.

Eric Hurlock: Yeah, we're starting to see that at Lancaster Farming newspaper. They've recently done a reader survey, and hemp is one of the least interesting topics to, you know, this subsection of readers that actually take the time to fill out surveys. Yeah.

Geoff Whaling: And I and I. I hope you would agree that, you know, it is the CBD industry, and listen, we have many members of the National Hemp Association who are in the CBD space. We know how challenging it has been for them. And we saw just this flood of people coming in. I refer to some of the West Beverly Hills farmers who came in with money and no experience whatsoever who were going to get into the space. I think that has harmed us because, you know, better than I, that the word among farmers travels quickly. So the experience that most people have with CBD has become the experience of people in the hemp industry. And of course, that's so far from the truth. But as we continue to forge ahead and large farmers are seeing the challenges with commodity prices, certainly, you know, I think one of the great stories that I bring back to Washington is one that I learned from him where he was talking about one of the gentlemen that has a 15000 acre farm who is runs a kind of a contracting harvesting service for farmers. And that gentleman sat down and calculated what he and his families take is from their fifteen thousand acres of planting. I think at this point, it's wheat. And at the end of the day, they make fourteen dollars an acre, and they're lucky that they have fifteen thousand acres. So there is some real cash there. But if that is the same across the country, you know, we know that farmers are looking for something new and interesting, and if we can deliver it to them all, it's going to come. I spoke at the culmination of UN conferences last week, one that was focused on sustainability and the sustainable food chain. And most people there hadn't a clue about the potential of him. And certainly, as the U.N. is really looking at adopting policies and encouraging funding for agricultural initiatives that are also going to help mitigate or address climate, hemp, we all know, can be part of that solution, despite the fact I've had those conversations for a long time. You know, it gets lost in translation. So, you know, we have work to do.

Eric Hurlock: Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. So in the early days of this podcast, you were actually the very first interview I conducted. And then I published that interview on the second episode of the show. So, you know, this is a it's great to have you back on again. You talked about, you know, making Pennsylvania sort of an epicenter of hemp, you know, in in the Northeast, you know, by bringing, you know, like manufacturing like a hemp campus almost right? And you're still you still have plans for that and you're you're moving closer to that. From what I understand.

Geoff Whaling: So you know, Eric, as you have learned through me, I and I announced actually on at your kickoff from Penn State, I just come from a meeting, an open house with a division of the Hyundai industry that's called Black Buffalo. It's a division of Big Sun Holdings and someone I've become quite close to. Michael Woods, who formerly managed the Rothschild family office came from Deutsche Bank, is now heading up Big Sun Holdings on behalf of the grandson of the founder of Hyundai Industries. And one of the things you're advancing here is 3D printing of houses with concrete, and they are working to incorporate hemp into that. I just came back from Montana last week meetings with Michael Woods because Andy Hemp has got 10000 acres of fiber that they're soon going to be trying to process and looking for end users. Sure, the real reason for us going out there is that hemp is looking to provide housing to their new employees. They're going to employ seventy seven to 100 people and in a little town like Fort Benton, there just isn't that number of available houses for them to occupy. So I brought both Black Buffalo and ourselves together with the Soviets because I thought that together we could solve two problems not only looking at incorporating hemp into the slurry that I and can through the fiber that they can provide to black buffalo for that slurry. But then we could also look at ways to do hemp flooring and hemp insulation and hemp. And all those other things to really bring about a residential hemp based solution, meetings aren't really, really well. In fact, today Black Buffalo is out on their first round of raising funds. I think they're going to be oversubscribed. It's just amazing the technology that they have. And imagine that they can build the vertical walls of a 15 000 square foot house in 24 hours. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And it you know it. It has such opportunities not only to address affordable housing, but can you imagine in areas that are devastated by storms and destruction? Certainly, they could move in and instantly start to provide these people with shelters. Sure, there are lots of and what I am thrilled about. And Eric, I think that you know your audience, you and I need to remember that as we invest our time and energy, as I have done with Black Buffalo and Michael Watts and his team, what I found at the meetings that we had last week is that they have moved far beyond just talking about this. They are researching it. They are investing their money and they want to come up with their own form of a flock, their own form of incorporating hemp fiber, maybe not a thick fiber, but more of a dust or a finely meld hemp into that slurry. So those are the successes. When people start to see a 3D printed house and oh, by the way, it's made of him, right? Or in part of him, that's what's going to capture the imagination of the greater media. Yeah.

Eric Hurlock: Is there a Pennsylvania connection there, too?

Geoff Whaling: Yeah, I knew you'd go back to that. So good on good journalist there is. I'm happy to report that from that announcement that I made that Buffalo had. But looking at space in the Northeast and East Stroudsburg, they have now closed on what was the former East Stroudsburg Pocono Airport. It's, I believe, 100 plus acre lot black buffalo will be putting their their manufacturing facility there, and they will also be doing some 3D printed residential units on that property, which will also become demo areas. And they have offered the National Hemp Association's 501c3, which is the Hemp Innovation Foundation, up to 30 acres on that site. For us to build a hemp research campus and to work out whether or not they could 3D print the facilities that we need right then and there. And certainly selfishly, I could see us working on researching hemp as a construction material right on that campus. And you know, it's in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, which is known as the Poconos, which is a tourist area. You know, there's lots of lakes and trees there. What I found to be absolutely delightful that within three miles, as the crow flies from that site, there is thousands of acres of farmland along the Delaware gap that is operated by the federal government. So we're going to start to sit down with those farmers and talk to them about adding super rotation of hemp into what they're already growing. And, you know, work on a program where they can figure out how they can help us and we can help them. That's awesome. So so that we're coming along nicely. You know, this was a separate asset that we made of USDA and the White House to help us fund that initiative. We haven't got a response on them, but we're proceeding no matter what.

Eric Hurlock: Cool with hemp in the slurry for 3D printing is that does that compete with hemp create or is that a detriment to the hemp creed industry? Or is there room for everybody in here?

Geoff Whaling: There will continue to be room for everybody, and, you know, I have learned that using the word hypocrite isn't the best thing to use. I think Cameron would say, you know, it's really. And certainly there are so many different forms. So whether or not someone's going to put that into a block as they've done it, just bio fiber in Calgary or by Cameron spray on application. And certainly people putting it in between boards and kind of doing a prefab hemp house, I think there is going to be room for all of them. I think what if you go to the Black Buffalo website and just look at how that 3D printer works, it actually prints the walls in two sections of their site. There's an inner wall and an outer wall, and there's a six inch gap in between what I would see that not only will we be able to put him into that slurry to print it to help that concrete stay rigid as it's starting to dry. But we will also be able to at the end of that for you or that print to go back and fill that gap with a hemp lime or hemp create as you and I know it. And then, of course, hemp flooring boards, hemp beams, all of that sort of stuff could come into play.

Eric Hurlock: OK. What's coming up for you? Do you have any interesting events in the next few weeks? Cash?

Geoff Whaling: You know, it's it's it's busy as usual, and I am. I'm thrilled that the invitations that I receive on a weekly basis from people. I think Zoom has really benefited me appearing at more places, but I'm missing the opportunity to do public events and to see people. And I'm happy that the Cannabis World Conference and Business Expo in Manhattan is returning to the Javits Center. The first part of November for System six sixth, and certainly there is a big focus on that. The team at Christiani Anucha who runs that show has invited me along with Matt Anderson, who comes from the Vanguard Group to co-host all three days of the conference discussions. And what we're going to do is kind of take a different kind of a television show format and just do a recap of the discussions we've had and then focus on on the first day will be, you know, where we are and all of our speakers will be talking about where we are, the legislative process, where they are and their businesses. The next day, we'll do a recap and then we'll talk about the challenges and barriers to building our industry. And then day three will be successes and opportunities. We'll have investment panels for people who are out there doing it, people that are raising money. And certainly we're going to start to bring corporate America like Black Buffalo. Michael Woods is going to be there and members of his team to talk about what they are doing. Ben Dobson, who is behind Abby Rockefeller's Hudson Carbon, is going to come and talk about how hemp can play a role in carbon credits. Yeah. So, you know, there are opportunities of making additional money. You know, I've changed the way that I've talked about hemp not as a dual crop, but as a triple opportunity crop. So that is, you know, seed fiber and carbon credits. And and again, talk about, you know, how do you get those carbon credits? What is the best way to ensure that that value is is going to be there and that there's a monitoring, there's a baseline, you know, Ben is just a brilliant young man and you know, he's got an awful lot to bring to this. And if there's going to be an appointee to once the The Climate Solution Act is passed by the House, it's already been passed by the Senate. Once USDA gets that, it's going to set up a committee. My vote is for Ben Dobson to represent the hemp industry on that panel discussion because he has an awful lot of hands on experience organic farming and certainly understands carbon credits. So all of that is going to be expanded on CWC Expo, and I invite people to come out and, you know, let's kind of interact. It is a full vaccine and mask required event, but certainly it will still allow us to interact with each other and talk about where we are and where we're going.

Eric Hurlock: Good. Good. Yeah, I was at that expo in, I guess it was 2019 at the Javits Center and I was expecting there to be lots of fiber and green stuff there. And it wasn't. So I was a little different. And then it was all like THC, CBD, but it sounds like things have progressed a lot, and there's going to be more conversation about the grain and fiber side.

Geoff Whaling: It's certainly all of the focus on the three days there will be. You know, it is. It's a cannabis show. So, you know, hemp and marijuana will be part of it. Certainly New York with the new governor. And I don't want to let out secrets about who may or may not be attending this event. But I think that and their new Office of Cannabis Management legislation moving forward there. You know, the new chair person, their new executive director, they will all be people who have been invited to come and talk about their Office of Cannabis Management, which is a leading example of the potential of this one stop shopping for the cannabis space, which includes adult use, medical marijuana cannabinoids and hemp. And so that really is what CV Expo is going to focus on. And I think that we're going to see more and more people talking about, you know, what is Delta eight, Delta six and Delta 10? And you know, is that part of cannabis or hemp? Or, you know, how does it fit in? USDA is going to be participating at the event. Some of the members of of the new internal working committee are going to be there. So I'm excited. I think it will be a refreshing way for us to gather once again and talk about it. And there will be an opportunity if people come to the conference, participate in a session and then realize they have an awful lot more questions to ask. What we've agreed is that following each session, those individuals who are on the main stage are going to go into breakout room, so you'll have the opportunity to have more one on one with them. So we're trying to make it really interactive. And you know, Eric, you and I have gone to a lot of these shows, and I'm certainly pleased that my friends at CW PSDB Expo take a lot of initiative to be first in the space. They have a lot of other shows that follow them. This is again going to be one of those great leads that they're going to take in providing a different format to have a discussion about our industry.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. I hope to get up there at least one of the days, so maybe we'll see you there.

Geoff Whaling: Well, there's going to be a virtual component to it as well, Eric.

Eric Hurlock: So awesome. Well, hey, Geoff, it's great to talk to you today. Thank you for your time.

Geoff Whaling: It's my pleasure, as always, Eric, and all the best.

Eric Hurlock: All right, so be sure to check out Lancaster Farming dot com, click on the links to go see the things that Jeff was talking about Black Buffalo and that video of the 3D printer is really just fascinating. All right, so moving on, we're going to talk about HempCrete Week with the guys who were bringing you HempCrete Week. I went to this event last year up in East Stroudsburg and I was only there for a couple of days, but I learned a lot and met a lot of great people. And so I encourage you to check out this year's event, especially those of you in the trades, the builders, contractors, all that stuff. This is an amazing development in construction. So anyway, here we go. Help create week. Eric Titus, wait, Cameron Mackintosh, welcome back to the podcast, how are you guys doing today?

Speaker 4: Never better doing good brother and I see Mr. Locke. Yeah.

Eric Hurlock: Good to see you too. So it's that time of year again. It's it's almost hemp week. You know, it's exciting. Oh yeah. And so what? This is the second annual third annual how long we've been doing this second annual.

Speaker 4: It's a little bit later than it was last year. But yeah, we're we're looking forward to doing this every year in September, October of every year.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. Well, tell me what's going on this year.

Speaker 4: This year, we are kind of continuing on last year, every week. We're going to be working more on the finishing side of things. So there's actually some the hemp create that was sprayed here at the hemp said we will be finishing with plaster. So that's going to be exciting if anybody else has a whole year to wait before they finish them like I do. Let me know, and we can include your building in the next year and every week, but

Eric Hurlock: it's dry now. The stuff you did last year has finally dried.

Speaker 4: Well, dry. Well thought. Yes.

Eric Hurlock: So what? What's special about this plaster? It's not just regular plaster, it's it's what.

Speaker 4: Yeah. So this this is a technique that I learned from a colleague of mine named Anthony. Their own or better known as Duchamp in Montreal, are really, really skilled plaster Mason, who also does hem creep up there. And I actually learned this finish at the Cape Cod house that was done with our colleagues at Hem Stone last May. Yeah. And Michael, the owner, had hired Anthony to come in and do this plaster finish. So it's basically it's a very limy template, essentially that gets put on a bit like Adobe. OK, very forgiving and easy for folks like myself who don't have the years of classroom experience that someone like Anthony would have to get flat and looking nice. Now what it is again is essentially a really wide mayhem Kleenex. So you can put it on pretty thick. Typically, with plasters, we're doing, you know, quarter inch coats over a period of time. So this is going to add a little bit of another layer of insulation and good sound quality, but it'll allow us to make up some of the oddities in an older building like Eric's where you just don't have plumbing. True, necessarily because the house is built, you know, hundreds of years ago and things have moved. So it allows us to build up a nice flat layer quickly that can then be skin coated at a later date. But again, this is a it's sort of, you know, difficult to call it a plaster finish, although it's it's a finish for heavy cream that works really well with the system. And again, it's it's healthy, you know, it's a very healthy material that adds to the interior, air quality and a great many ways. So also really exciting. This is a one coach plaster finish. Oh, nice. So you are cutting down on all the time. It can be done and it can be done as a one to plaster finish, which Eric is of the cloth, if you will, and is OK with seeing a little hem heard in the wall, OK? Whereas someone else might want it to look a bit more like drywall, at which point again, skim coated. But again, this is a really great finish to teach in a workshop because it's something that, again, you don't necessarily have to have a high degree of trowel skill to execute properly. So it's something that we wanted to show people again a little bit of a sort of democratizing a plaster finish, if you will.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. So that's October 17th. That's a Sunday that's up in Stroud Stroudsburg. Is that where the Hempstead is?

Speaker 4: Yep, he stroudsburg at that. The. OK. About an hour from New York City, an hour and a half from Philadelphia.

Eric Hurlock: All right, cool. And then so hemp create week is actually three days this year. So that's Sunday. And then what's happening on Monday, your birthday?

Speaker 4: Oh boy,

Eric Hurlock: that is my birthday.

Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to have a trailer there that we can burn to help you with your healing from

Eric Hurlock: your like an RV. We're going to burn an effigy of

Speaker 4: the Earth without an actual RV, so that would be bad for you.

Eric Hurlock: The RV was bad for the environment.

Speaker 4: Let's be honest, it's bad for your environment. Oh man,

Eric Hurlock: it's all right. I'm here. It's healing up. It's all good, but I appreciate that.

Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not shaking anymore. So what we're doing on Monday is small retrofit of a building and our friend Ben Davies Farm, Wild Fox or Fox. Yeah, OK, Darren Bartell. Yeah, so bad. And Tara have been gracious enough to rent me a warehouse space after I got, I lost my last space, so that's worked out really well. Pennsylvania have minds coming together and I have a good location, so I'm renting a little warehouse there and in the driveway is a small cottage, if you will. Very small cottage that actually has something to do with an old printing press that was in the area. The farmer that I own, the farm that that this thing's located at actually did some printing down the road back in the day. So Ben, when he was stripping this place, found a bunch of lipo plates. Wow. Pictures of World War Two veterans from the area that had been printed into a book, and they were all in this thing. Oh wow. And this little cottage comes together really nicely. Ben's intention is to turn it into sort of a public library, right? Library, so we're going to we're going to retrofit it with a little bit of have agreed to do a nice little plaster finish on it and then set it up. So it'll be the Barto Public Library and sort of hearken back to its roots as a as a print shop.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. And that same kind of thing. People can sign up, they can get their, you know, hands in the in the mix and try out doing some hemp create.

Speaker 4: So we're actually going to spray that one. So, OK, that's going to be a demonstration of the Aries, the equipment, which is what we've been using here over the last few months to execute all our projects with. OK. So it'll be it'll be hands on, yes. But it's I would refer to it as a demonstration of the equipment and we're going to discuss that and we'll end the day similarly to Sunday at Erik's place with a little bit of dinner made by Karen and there. OK, and maybe a campfire. So it'll be a nice day. Maybe it sounds good. Maybe a birthday cake for a local journalist, huh?

Eric Hurlock: Interesting. I'm intrigued. And then so that brings us to Tuesday, the 19th what's happening on Tuesday, the 19th

Speaker 4: Tuesday, the 19th is going to be at the viaduct, which is owned by Antoinette and Eric Overholser. OK. This is a it's an outdoor space underneath the bridge there in Philadelphia, and we are doing a workshop as well. We'll be making some planter boxes, potentially a feature wall. But the exciting thing about Tuesday is we're going to also open the end of the day up to anyone that wants to join us for a basically a week closing reception. Also, Cameron is going to be doing an intro to him building at this location. We're really looking forward to getting everybody from Philadelphia together. This is really going to be one of the first times because of the pandemic and everything. We can have a little, a little party, some good hemp inspired food and drink, and we'll get to listen to everybody, you know, talk hemp. Still, we can't talk to someone.

Eric Hurlock: And so this is the all together now group, right?

Speaker 4: It is. Yeah. So this is an altogether now collaboration. And Judy Wicks will also be speaking. We'll have Cameron as the director of the know, building a sustainable building coalition, myself as the director of the Food Coalition for All Together Now. And, you know, just all the hamsters. Right?

Eric Hurlock: Oh, cool. That sounds fun. And where can people go to sign up for for this fun?

Speaker 4: So everything is posted on my website. The Hempstead icon? OK, it's an Eventbrite link. You'll see it as soon as you go to the website. Each day, you can get tickets for each day. You can also just get tickets for the reception and the intro to him create, which is five to eight on Tuesday. Or you can get a ticket with a little bit of a discount for

the, you know, the entire week.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. OK, tell me again where in Philly it is, it's at the Viaduct Viaduct, and to tell me where that is, like, I don't know where that is.

Speaker 4: Well, it's under a bridge in Philadelphia.

Eric Hurlock: Oh, OK.

Speaker 4: And that's that's about as much as we know. Five five hundred North Tenth Street, according to the Google. OK.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. All right, so it's Sunday in East Stroudsburg doing a plaster sort of demonstration Monday, the 18th at Wild Fox Farm up in Bartow, you're going to be doing a EVC demonstration and then hemp kind of workshop in the city on Tuesday. So sounds like there's something for everybody. And yeah, it's going to be good. You had people from all over the world last year, like there was a guy from Hawaii. There was people from Texas and North Carolina. So yeah,

Speaker 4: it was a really incredible time. Last year we were we were dead after those five days, which is why we shortened it to three days this year. It was a whirlwind which we ended up poking organics for their food forever event. And, you know, we were just truly covered in lime and yeah, yeah, cracking as we walked across there. But it was it was a really wonderful event and we did. We had people come from all over the country and made some lasting relationships with people there. Also, you know, Cameron and Americhanvre are working on putting a package together, which you can maybe just hit on, which is also another really great reason for anybody that's looking to build their portfolio and add this service. Construction company wise cam. Yeah, we are. The interesting thing about our Hemsley Week crew was that Eric and I staff my booth down at the Southern Hemp Expo a couple of weeks ago in Raleigh, and that that we both spoke at Eric and I was there. I saw you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And so it was it was kind of weird, but we had like seven of our 20 week alumni, like at the booth at one point in. So it was people that we're serious and are still serious and are really engaging and getting into it. But yeah, we were we were at the booth with our new fabrication partner, UCG Manufacturing, which makes that big, sexy orange mixer that I use. Some of your farming followers might have seen and drooled over a bit. It's it's basically our big water mixer that's hydraulic actuated by that company is going to be our fabrication partner for the Americanized version of the easy equipment, which we're going to hopefully release next year. So this is a chance for everyone to come. See it, get it, get a look at it and or what they see with what they've seen that we've done this year with it project wise. And you know, again, we're going to be opening that, that equipment up, hopefully for delivery in late spring preorders taken in in January or somewhere in there.

Eric Hurlock: Cool. And that's on your website on Mershon yet,

Speaker 4: but it will be breaking news, right? So you heard it here first. Yeah, now we're getting it together. It's, you know, there's quite a sort of logistical and also liability hill to climb when it comes to, you know, releasing a piece of equipment in one especially that can be dangerous. You know, all equipment is, but it's it's a heavy lift, but it's really important. And again, you know, like we mentioned earlier, all of these techniques and systems that are going to be demonstrating and, you know, during fleet week are really aimed at encouraging people to try and create and to use it and to get into trying it, and that it's not this great barrier to entry that it can be made democratic and accessible for everyone. So that's that's what we really saw with the easy system to begin with. And we've kind of proven that this year and we want to make that. Couple that with an education on how to finish them create and then also how to do it by hand. If you don't want to go spend the money on equipment yet, I mean, that's a very accessible way to build your home that isn't toxic for you or for the planet. So we want people to believe that, and we're also hoping to have honor from coexists on Tuesday there. She's an air architect in our land and been on the show before. They're doing great things down there and we're hoping to have her come. We haven't confirmed yet or we're hoping to have her come and speak at the viaduct as well. So definitely, if you're a builder, architect, engineer, developer type, the professional intro to the material will happen at the viaduct on on that Tuesday. And if you're a step further into that, maybe and you want to try a finishing technique or coming, you know all that and you're easy gun and space mechanically, that's that's Monday and Tuesday for you, but certainly all three days, lots of value, hoping to have some people stayed all the time and create that continuity. And I'm sure we will. So, yeah, looking forward to it, thanks to the platform here. Yeah, sure. Always.

Eric Hurlock: I'll put all the links on the show page and we'll encourage people to sign up and. Yeah, go learn about him, creep.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, I think I think one of the most important takeaways is that over the last year since and create one and now twenty twenty one is that you are now fully capable of getting someone to build you the hemp house of your dreams. And it is not going to take you months or years. It's going to take you weeks and you can go on Cameron's Instagram and check out the work that's being done and get inspired. We need more than just Cameron out there doing this, though from an end user perspective.

Eric Hurlock: Well, just to be fair to the other seven people in the space, there are other people doing this right

Speaker 4: there, and we all are friends and we all share and network and support each other and celebrate each other's successes. At this point, there is so much more to be gained from sharing openly, and that's what we're trying to do with every week. It's not meant to be self-serving. We're trying to keep the costs as low as possible for the value that we're that we're kind of trying to deliver. And again, you know, with that eye on democratizing the material and making it not, you know, an exclusive thing that that only certain people can afford it. I think that we desperately need that. So we do and we desperately need more than seven people this. And the goal with Cameron and his equipment and this spray applied method is that it's here, it's working and we need to show people the way it's cool.

Eric Hurlock: I love what you guys are doing. Thank you so much for the work that you are doing. And I look forward to seeing you at least one of the hemp week days.

Speaker 4: Yeah, come on your birthday and bring us over.

Eric Hurlock: Wait, I thought you were getting plastered on Sunday, but you're saying, oh,

Speaker 4: blast or plastered in their birthday RV effigy, burning like Burning Man, but Lancaster Farming style.

Eric Hurlock: Awesome OJ. It's great to talk to you guys and I look forward to seeing you in person soon.

Speaker 4: There's rather good to see. Thank you.

Eric Hurlock: And just like that, the show was over. Thank you for listening. And again, be sure to check out Lancaster Farming dot com. Click on those links. Go register for him week. Go check out the video for Buffalo Black. All that stuff. And hey, while you're there, become a member of the National Hemp Association, right?

Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you for listening to today's show. My name is Eric Hurlock and I can always be reached by email. Send it to podcast at Lancaster Farming dot com or call me up. Leave me a message. Seven one seven. What is my number? Seven two one four four six two.

Eric Hurlock: All right, leave me a message. I'll call you back. Oh, so what else? So here's what I'm thinking. All right. This this has been on my mind, so I think I'm going to bring this show to a close. Not this episode. I mean, the whole Lancaster Farming Industrial Hemp podcast is going to neatly

Speaker 2: bring it to a close. Or that's what I've been thinking anyway. And then today I see the news that Paul McCartney is growing hemp. So I don't know, is that a sign from God that I should continue? Here's what I'm thinking. Bring this this show to a close. And then in the new year,

Eric Hurlock: start like a new season. Maybe it's a new show, but it's about more than just hemp. It's about regenerative agriculture, it's about entrepreneurship, it's about

Speaker 2: climate change mitigation. It's about how farmers are saving the world. That's what I want to talk about. So do you have thoughts on that? Hit me up. Send me an email.

Eric Hurlock: I would really love to hear your feedback on all of this. So anyway, my name is Eric Hurlock. I'm the digital editor at Lancaster Farming newspaper, the greatest agricultural newspaper in the world. Don't take my word for it. Get yourself a subscription. Check us out online. It'll change your mind anyway until next time, I'll see you in the newspaper. Industrial hemp.

Episode 161 of the Lancaster Farming INdustrial Hemp Podcast isCopyright 2021 by Lancaster Farming newspaper. Part of the Steinman Communications Family. The Show was written and recorded, edited and produced by Eric Hurlock. Any music you hear throughout the show is courtesy of Tin Bird Shadow.


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